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E Anderson's avatar

Agree with all of this but also think nationalism/patriotism (at least in England) is implicitly a desire for a return to the days of empire. It's never put that way but the desire for a "return" to "greatness" is a desire to return to a world where Britain was a white island with colonies to exploit. Even if people don't explicitly call for it (or even know that's what they're missing) that seems to be the thing they yearn for.

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Paul Snyder's avatar

Excellent work again, though…

Based on the history you’ve described:

The Gallagher brothers will soon be MBEs 😑

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Ian Weniger's avatar

Thanks for the reprint. Now we need to use this perspective for building a class-struggle campaign in Canada like https://drawtheline.world and providing a lead for unions away from "Elbows Up"

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Mike Small's avatar

Thanks Luke, great piece. You write "To first state the obvious: nationalism and patriotism, now as ever, are a minefield for the socialist left," I don't think that's universally true. In Scotland a left nationalism has been a central part of the movement for self-determination and this is true in many parts of the world. I think the 'Britain' you refer to has largely disappeared and that is one of the things driving the current flag phenomenon.

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E Anderson's avatar

There's a lot to admire about how Scot nationalism, but I don't think you have to look further then Humza Yousaf's time as First Minister to see minefields aplenty.

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Mike Small's avatar

Plenty of minefileds no doubt, I wasn't really thinking of the SNP but more the Radical Independence Campaign and others

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E Anderson's avatar

I’m a Canadian so feel free to tell me my head’s up my ass, but it seemed to me that Scottish nationalism (or maybe just the SNP) made a positive turn at some point in the 2000s to embrace a civic definition of national identity and embrace cultural diversity. That seemed to founder (a little) when it reached its logical conclusion and Scotland had a non-white and Muslim First Minister. Quebec nationalism in Canada has had similar challenges. Attempts to embrace diversity have now given way to some very ugly racism and a definition of national citizenship that prioritizes “secular identity” (ie. not Muslim).

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